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03 May, 2008

Methodists Vote on Homosexuality

Posted by: Katie Kish In: Atheism| Religion| Sexism

At a general meeting in Fort Worth, Texas on April 30th the Methodist church voted on whether or not to maintain their current views on supporting homosexual practices. In the end they voted to maintain that the activity is “incompatible with Christian teaching”.

The vote was to change the mandate to “refrain from judgment regarding homosexual person and practices as the Spirit leads us to new insight”. The supporters lost 517 votes to 416. I guess it gives me a little hope that 44.5% of the people voted to change it. …That’s something.

As I’ve said many times… the church is going to have to change to stay alive - and one of those changes is going to have to be to adhere to things that are becoming the social norm. I guess I say this from a Canadian perspective - where being gay truly is normal. Where as in Texas, it hasn’t really gotten to that point yet. For shame!

The ban “reflects the sentiment of most (church) members and the majority of citizens in the U.S. and many other countries,” said the committee that handled the resolution. “Sanctioning homosexual unions would give the church’s approval to homosexual behavior and relationships, which would be inconsistent” with church teaching.

Who cares about inconsistency? Why not be a leader in recognizing that you don’t live in the 30’s anymore and truing accepting and loving people despite what they do outside of the church? I think this, being more loving and caring, is more consistent with Christian values than banning someone’s homosexuality.

But what’s really scary?

And, after an emotional debate, a slim majority of Methodists agreed to strengthen the church’s advocacy against sexism by “opposing all forms of violence or discrimination based on gender, gender identity, sexual practice, or sexual orientation.”

Two clergy delegates from the Democratic Republic of the Congo forcefully spoke out against the anti-homophobia resolution.

Speaking in French with the aid of a translator, one pastor said that it’s “very sad that the Methodist Church continues to advocate for things that come from the devil. … It is time for us as church to get on our knees and proclaim that we have made a mistake.”

Does that mean bisexuals are like… half devil baked?

7 Responses to "Methodists Vote on Homosexuality"

1 | Ryan

May 3rd, 2008 at 10:45 am

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Hmmm. This surprises me a little bit, as the Methodists are generally the most progressive church in the US (ie the United Church of Christ, of which Jeremiah Wright is a part).

But if it’s a world-wide thing, it’s not a surprise at all. If you compare the African Anglican church to that of the UK or Canada, you’ll find the same thing. Hate to sound ethnocentric, but the third world churches tend to be even behind the times of the first world.

Except maybe the latin American Catholic church (ie Liberation Theology).

2 | Ryan

May 3rd, 2008 at 10:45 am

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I meant church of the first world, not the first world in general.

3 | Alon Levy

May 3rd, 2008 at 5:32 pm

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The UCC is Congregationalist, not Methodist. Obama is a member of the UCC; Bush is a Methodist. Among the mainline Protestant denominations in the US the Baptists are the most conservative, but the Methodists are second. The most liberal mainline denomination in the US is the Episcopalians, who’ve endorsed gay marriage.

4 | Ryan

May 3rd, 2008 at 6:07 pm

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My mistake. Must be the John Wesley stuff in their material that confused me.

5 | Alon Levy

May 4th, 2008 at 4:54 pm

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That was in the 18th century. At the time, the Baptists were advocating separation of church and state, and soon afterward the northern Baptists were fighting for abolition.

(Also, the Latin American Catholic Church is very conservative. Liberation Theology was always a minority view there, and became even more of a minority view when fascist regimes executed its leaders, with John Paul II and Cardinal Ratzinger’s silent assent.)

6 | Katie Kish

May 5th, 2008 at 12:36 am

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The methodist church is completely dead in canada. the united church of canada actually spawned off from methodist (along with a couple other sects…hence “united”) … but they were largely just as liberal here in canada as the united church is now.

the united church is by far the most progressive chruch i’ve dealt with in my entire years of… churching. …

And Ryan, I think you’re right, it may sound wrong … but third world churches are very “by the book” and more crude/severe than their progressive brothers/sisters in north america.

7 | PJ

May 5th, 2008 at 12:00 pm

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why can a church vote on something against the bible? that doesnt make sense at all to me. homosexulas will always be not allowed in what the bibles says so why is it okay to take it out of the practices of the church?

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