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01 Nov, 2006

Sex and long distance relationships

Posted by: Katie Kish In: Blogs| S'all bout moi| Sex

I wasn’t going to comment on the post that I read at Abstract Nonsense, and then at The Shame of the Sea - however, now I feel like I have to.

The negative condentations that surround ‘online dating’ with most of the people I know are extremely high. The lady I used to rent from really liked Alon when she met him but had to tack on "…but I really don’t agree with how you met." because we had met online. And when people ask me "How did you and Alon meet?" (people still ask me, even though we’re not dating, because I think I talk about him more now than I did before.) and I say "oh online, on a message board" they basically laugh as if to say "oh, then it never could have been serious or real."

What no one understands is that Alon and I didn’t meet online one week, and then meet  in person the next. We met online back in…oh geez, 2001 I think, we got close in July 2005 and we met in person in December 2005. We would have met a little bit earlier than we actually did, but I got scared. In a sense this is a success story I suppose, except that we didn’t see each other again until August 2006 and  now we won’t be seeing each other again until December 2006 *and then* probably not again until May. (Maybe February if he’s not busy with school and if I feel like I want to put up with east coast winters.) The whole reason we stopped dating was because of the online/distance thing. So it had/has its ups and downs.

But then there are other stories like my best friend’s dad. Him and his wife (Samie’s step mom, Jen) met online and are together, and will be… until they die, I’d suspect. And my sister and her boyfriend Utah met online and have a fantastic relationship. I’m guessing that if I would have gone to NYU or Rochester or somewhere closer to New York, Alon and I would be one of these cute, success stories as well.

Yes, there are creepy people on the internet. I understand that. But there are people you can just end up trusting. (And besides, I could have taken Alon down with one hand had he to tired anything I didn’t want. bwa ha ha.) Not everyone is a sexual predatory looking for small pussy to get themselves into. (Hahahaha, okay, break - I tried to think of a way to work this in, but …its not gonna happen, but the funniest thing EVER is when Stewie is talking to a prostitute and says "so are there any more treads on the tires? or is it just like throwin’ a hotdog down a hallway?" aaah hahahaha)

The other side of this is the physical part of the relationship. I won’t get into what I thought about Alon’s sexual abilities (or what he thought about mine, for that matter) the first time we had sex because that’s none of your business, :D but… it would make for a good post. Anyway. The great thing about talking so much is that you end up talking about sex… so you’re already comfortable with that person when it comes down to actually doing it. (Unless they tell you to ‘hurry up’…sometimes comfort can be broken.) And if it ends up to be a shitty first kiss (I guess I can say that it really really wasn’t a shitty first kiss.) or a shitty first whatever - you can talk about it. And the fact that you love that person means that you can work together to make it right and to make it better for the next time.

According to some of the women my age I talk to this is really weird, the fact that I would actually give a guy a tutorial on how to give me an orgasm, or on how to not suck, basically. But honestly… would you rather have a moderately awkward first 3 minutes of about a 15 - 20 minute lesson on how to make it work for yourself, and for him, or just have both of you undersatisfied?

You can say "this is what you should do" or you can just talk during sex to make sure it works out for the two of you - because you’re just that much more comfortable. Alon and I didn’t really have this comfort the first time we met, but now we do. (Now that we’re not dating. Funny how things work out.) So now if we were to have sex it would be great for both of us because we talk, and we know how to communitcate with one another more than I know how to communicate wtih guys that I’ve met in person. The guys that I’ve met in person, we’ve often jumped too much of the talking, and getting comfortable, so that when it comes time for sex its like I’m watching a Deep Space 9 episode, really bored, and just flat out irritated that my time is being wasted.

So its not even that the physical "doesn’t matter" as Skatje says, because in a sense it does. Sex is fun. Having an openly sexual relationship with a person, and experimenting and yadda yadda yadda is really great. If the person is a bad kisser, teach them how not to be a bad kisser. (I’ve pretty much trained at least 5 guys on this one.)But this isn’t a make or break situation. If a guy can’t kiss, and he’s not going to learn, but he is uber smart, really great to talk to and really interesting… whatever, I don’t need to kiss. And if he ends up to be horrible in bed… that’s what vibrators are for.

Ladies, meet… the jack rabbit. (As seen on Sex and the City - the one Charlotte locks herself up in her room with for days.)

Jackrabbit_1

Pfft. Men become useless once you own something like that. Look at all the buttons!

25 Responses to "Sex and long distance relationships"

1 | Sarah

November 1st, 2006 at 9:59 pm

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I hate how Alon and you dont call yourself a couple or say that you’re not dating or make it seem like you’re nothing special to each other.
I dont know if its a front you fellas’ put on for your blogs as a decision together or if youre both just trying not to fall back into old habits.
You have a relationship that goes past the friend label. Id bet money that you could easily find at least 5 people who think the two of you will end up together. Friends dont act like you two. Married people/lovers act like you two.

2 | Jord

November 1st, 2006 at 10:03 pm

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yo sarah is so rite
u and that dick er alon (come on he says im immature. he jus doesnt get my vibe) totally got it kickin. admit it. its not like its a bad thing u can be ‘together’ but not gave the bf/gf stamp. its just aint healthy to flat out deny each other like u do (dont front. i know it happens.)

3 | King

November 1st, 2006 at 10:06 pm

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Don’t encourage it. Im trying to clear her of it all. What isn’t healthy is attempting to stay friends with someone while still maintaining the same relationship that they had before just minus the label.

4 | Kian

November 1st, 2006 at 10:11 pm

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Okay, first of all, why is it that I don’t see any comments for like 3 days (except like 4) but then I leave my room for 20 minutes to go talk to Ashley and I come back and you’ve all commented? Geez.

Sarah - your applying stereotypes of what a ‘relationship’ and what a ‘friendship’ should be. Alon and I may be ‘closer’ than how a lot of other people are with their friends but a) that’s really not any of anyone’s business but mine and Alon’s. b) that wasn’t the point of my post and c) you’re apply a social construct of what a ‘friend’ is supposed to be.
It doesn’t matter how many people you can find to say that Alon and I will end up together. I’m fairly certain that the only people whos opinions matter on that case are mine and Alon’s, and those… again… are none of anyone’s business.

Jordan, why the hell is your IP in Calgary? The answer to this could very well explain why I haven’t seen you in over a week.

King - you should be in bed sleeping.

Now, having said all this… I know I’ve put mine and alon’s friendship up for discussion by making it a part of post. However - the post is not about mine and Alon’s relationship in the future, or present tense. Whatever Alon and I are, are what we are. He’s one of my best friends, a past love and a future ’something’ that not I, he or any of you can determine. …That is all.

5 | King

November 1st, 2006 at 10:22 pm

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no 1 may be able to make the prediction of what ull end up being but sometimes its just obvious. As your current boyfriend even I know not to plan past a year or 2 because you and this guy are so. so. … so whatever you are.

6 | gordo

November 1st, 2006 at 10:22 pm

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Ha! This is such a great post, for so many different reasons.

Some guy told you to “hurry up?” That reminds me of Steve Martin’s favorite sexy line: “Are you through yet?” (Steve Martin was a standup comic. Very popular in his day).

Also, I can’t imagine giving a woman a tutorial on how to not suck. I’ve found that most women naturally don’t suck, and I have to spend a lot of time coaxing them.

As for the lessons, I would think that most guys would be very thankful. Most are very insecure about technique, but too embarrassed to ask. But really, it took 20 minutes to teach a guy how to do it? You need to start dating smarter guys.

Speaking of which, I like the part about, “So now if we were to have sex it would be great for both of us. Ya hear that, Alon? IT WOULD BE GREAT FOR BOTH OF US!”

Anyway, great post!

7 | gordo

November 1st, 2006 at 10:24 pm

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OK, I wrote that BEFORE you and King posted. I didn’t even know you had a boyf. So, er, ignore my decoding of your comment about Alon, and how great sex would be with him.

8 | Kian

November 1st, 2006 at 10:29 pm

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ANd I can always rely on Gordo for the laugh.

I spoke to the guy about the ‘hurry up’ and apparently I … didn’t take it the right way or something. But, I didnt think there were many ways to take it. lol…

Its not that the lesson takes 20 minutes, its that gah, I dont want to get into it too much - but it just ends up taking 20 minutes because it literally just turns into a session.

King isn’t my boyfriend. He likes to pretend he is. I’m not even saying that sarcastically. He’s really nto my boyfriend at all, and if we’re going to be honest (i dont know if alon wants me saying this, but tough shit) alon and I will more than likely try out this ‘it will be great for both of us’ claim come december. …again, classified under the ‘too much katie info’

9 | Alon Levy

November 1st, 2006 at 10:47 pm

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Well, it’s obviously all about comfort. Some people are generally bad at sex. But I presume most who fail to be really arousing are only bad at pleasing their specific partners, and prudishness means that nobody asks or tells.

Oh well. I’ve always maintained that the pinnacle of a relationship isn’t about sex, but about being able to talk to people about anything. To put a feminist spin on it, this is why many men can be so misogynist and homosocial and at the same time heterosexual; they just view having sex with their wives in the same way I view watching movies or even reading good books. Having people you can relate to in the same way the main characters in Friends or Sex and the City talk to one another.

10 | King

November 1st, 2006 at 10:52 pm

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funny how alon finally comes in and comments but doesnt even comment on stuff thats being said about him
if a good relationship to alon = friends/sex&tcity convos katie and alon are beyond that. id like to know one thing the two of you cant talk about.

11 | Kian

November 1st, 2006 at 10:55 pm

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Funny how King can be such a super nice guy in person but come off as a prick online.
But you’re right, I don’t know of anything that Alon and I can’t talk about. …But I don’t really see your point with that. Sam and I can talk the way the Sex and the City girls can, so can Ashley and I. Does that mean that Ash/Me/Sam should all be considered lovers? Why is it that when a guy enters the same role as a female friend they automatically become something ‘more’ than a friend.
(okay, Alon and I are a terrible example of that last sentence, but you know what I mean. I think.)

12 | King

November 1st, 2006 at 11:05 pm

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you’re right. you and him are a bad example. do you and sam sleep together? would you and sam be dating if you lived at most an hour away from one another?

13 | Alon Levy

November 2nd, 2006 at 12:54 am

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If Katie were a lesbian or I were gay, we’d still talk to and about each other in exactly the same way.

14 | Kian

November 2nd, 2006 at 1:03 am

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Yeah you know what, I might have to go ahead a dissagree with that. I wouldn’t want to sex you up if I were a dyke. But other than *that* we’d talk exactly the same :D

15 | Metroid

November 2nd, 2006 at 6:30 am

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HOLY MOTHER OF ALL VIBRATORS. I want one

16 | Metroid

November 2nd, 2006 at 8:07 am

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I almost forgot that my dad and Jen met online.. I guess because it doesn’t really matter. I think as time goes on, this internet dating thing will become alot more popular. I think it’s going to be used more for people with busy lives and sucj. It can be safe and responisble if approached in the right way.

In regards to the sex talk, I’d talk about sex with anyone (probably because my mother was always very open about the subject), I have no problem sitting down with my friends and talking sex, exchanging stories(Oh, how I LOVE STOROES). Me and my boy talk things through.. long distance definetly strengthens the communication.. and I know I wouldn’t have a problem teaching him things, and vice versa.. sometimes, we just need a little guidance under the covers. (or…wherever the humping may occur)

17 | Kian

November 2nd, 2006 at 11:34 am

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There are better vibrators. There is one called the sextron 3000, it costs about $800. And a wand thing that costs around $100. The jackrabbit is only $60. And its actually no that big. Its 7″ long and only 1/4″ wide. I think its the pearls that make it so good. They paulsate wheny ou have it on.

18 | Brother Andy

November 2nd, 2006 at 12:27 pm

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1) ‘Condentations’ isn’t a word. You meant ‘Connotations’. Firefox 2 has a built in spell checker - use it.
2) All men should know how to give orgasms to women, it’s fun, it’s easy, and like most awesome things, when it’s done properly requires a mop and bucket to clean up.
3) Nothing tops the sybian
4) I forget what I was going to say. But I’m sure it was witty and insightful.
5) Never pay income tax, ever.

19 | gordo

November 2nd, 2006 at 5:10 pm

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I’m so tempted to make “Alon and Katie are going to have sex in December” into a blog entry. Then cross-post it at Liberal Avenger. Then spam the comments at Reclusive Leftist and Majikthise with “Alon’s going to have sex in December” with a link pointing here. Then starting a “Alon and Katie are going to have sex in December” blog.

20 | Trevor

November 2nd, 2006 at 5:27 pm

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Why do you all care so much about these two nobodies and their obvious relationship?

21 | Kian

November 2nd, 2006 at 5:32 pm

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Andy - i dont even use firefox 1/2 the time. at work we only have IE and all the logins are on guest accoutns so we cant really download anything. but i hear its good (firefox 2, I mean). All men should also not beat their wives - that doesn’t mean its going to happen anytime soon. I hope mom doesn’t read this post. I think it exposes the sexuality of her two youngest children a little too much.

Gordo - now that you’ve said that, Alon and I wont have sex, simply to spite you and make you a liar. :D
Trevor - speaking of nobodies.

22 | Alon Levy

November 2nd, 2006 at 8:53 pm

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Then spam the comments at Reclusive Leftist and Majikthise with “Alon’s going to have sex in December” with a link pointing here.

Great, all of the commenters on Reclusive Leftist will tell Katie she’s supporting the patriarchy by giving a man casual sex so easily.

23 | Kian

November 2nd, 2006 at 9:03 pm

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“so easily” ??? pfft.

24 | jord

November 2nd, 2006 at 9:04 pm

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“man” ??? pfft.

25 | Kian

November 2nd, 2006 at 9:32 pm

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Oh Jordan, puh-leez. Just because he was a better lay than you doesn’t mean you need to get all bitchy and psm-ee about it. Bwa ha ha ha ha. I’m kidding. *hugs* But seriously. Don’t be a douche, or I’ll make you two meet in december - a moment in time that would scar all three of us for years to come.

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