A Scout Gone Mad
Boys scouts need to be straight. Not only do they need to be straight, they also need to be Christian.
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=epCflp9EwTk[/youtube]
I doubt they outly deny the fact that gay guys can do scouting, but its a funny clip -and a good episode of the shoe…rather I’m assuming the reason they needs to be straight is because being gay doesn’t following biblical rule. Even after being publically called out on it and facing pretty huge reprecautions in some cities there was still no change in the standards of the group.
“It’s disappointing, and it’s certainly a threat,” said Jeff Jubelirer, a spokesman for Cradle of Liberty Council, referring to the rent’s impact on the scouts’ chances of staying on the site.
Jubelirer said that $200,000 a year in rent “would have to come from programs. That’s 30 new Cub Scout packs, or 800 needy kids going to our summer camp.”
Nevertheless, Jubelirer said, scouting officials will ask City Solicitor Romulo L. Diaz Jr. for details on the real estate appraisals that yielded the $200,000 rent figure.
Cradle of Liberty officials have said they could not renounce the scouts’ long-established policy of not opening membership to atheists or openly gay people without running afoul of their charter with the scouts’ National Council.
Well, maybe make it a group that all young boys can join and then we’ll care about your issues. They have to be Christian because that’s where morality stems from… or so they say. (This happens to be my current biggest pet peeve – the notion that in need to have morals you need to have god. It upsets me.)
Anyway, so they have a straight and moral group. I guess that’s pretty good, I’ll let them do their thing.
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A 15 year old scout goes ape shit and kills his entire family.
Nicholas W. Browning remained jailed without bond after confessing early Sunday that he killed his father, John Browning, his mother, Tamara, and his younger brothers, Gregory, 14, and Benjamin, 11, according to Baltimore County police.
His father was a highly regarded business attorney, and the family lived in an affluent suburb. Browning played golf and lacrosse, was active in his church and was close to becoming an Eagle Scout.
Huh. Does killing your entire family count as being moral? I wonder if they’ll let him keep all his badges.
I’m not done.
Scout LEADER is California is accused of molesting boys.
A scout leader who once sued the City of Berkeley for challenging a national Boy Scout ban on members who are gay or atheist has been arrested on felony charges that for at least five years he sexually abused young males in the troops he led.
I think that counts as homosexuality AND lack or morality – but what do I know about morals, I’m just an atheist. Seriously, boys can learn some great things from boy scouts, how to camp, have fun etc… I think it’s a great idea to have a group like that for boys. I just wish it wasn’t full of hypocrites, people who discriminate against a boys sexual preference and their religion. I can only imagine the number of boys who are feeling homosexual urges but are repressing them as to stay in the group, to remain “part of them”… it’s sad.
I hope that one day the boy scouts open up their arms and becoming a little less judging and ridiculous so that all boys who want to be a part, can be.
Themocracy
Nice read, I just came across your blog and really like it.
That picture of the Boy Scout Poster, do you know if that’s an Official Poster, or something someone made up.
Best Wishes
David
Very awesome. I too think that you need to have a god to have morals is just plain narrow sighted. But then again that’s kind of what christianity is about, seeing only what you want, when you want to. I my self am not an atheist, but i live my life based on some of the principles of buddhism which i think are very well put. But having a religion that tells you what to think and who to fear is not the way.
Very good read.
I’m a straight atheist Eagle Scout, and I agree that gay guys should be allowed into the organization.
As far as the “Bullshit!” clip goes, I’m disappointed that they dance around the issue. What is at stake is not who is better at being a Scout in terms of executing certain actions, but the fact that gay and straight guys are both capable of being Trustworthy, Loyal, Helpful, Friendly, Courteous, Kind, Obedient, Cheerful, Thrifty, Brave, Clean, and Reverent. It was a copout of “Bullshit!” to deal only with the issue in the way that they did, rather than confronting the difficult and controversial question of morality.
Also, I can’t say I’m happy with Katie Kish’s decision to use questionable tactics in arguing her case. Saying that a 15-year-old Boy Scout did this, or that a Scoutmaster did that, is completely irrelevant. It’s a lazy way to preach to the choir, but it isn’t a real argument, unless Ms. Kish is being as fallacious as the Boy Scouts, by defining certain groups as being inherently “wrong”. Even if she is only being sarcastic, it’s not a good way to argue the debate, and I think the issue deserves a real discussion.
That said, I appreciate the sentiment, and as a member of another group that is theoretically excluded, it is an important question to me. My objections are primarily against the methods of argument.
David – the photo is off of a blog that i can’t find now, i feel crummy for not linking to it in the first place – i will keep searching for it. it was an about.com blog.
joey – i heart you. i agree that instilling fear into people shouldn’t be what religion is – rather love.
GBM – it was a certain way that i went about posting 2 interesting news stories. i’ve done “real” posts on boyscounts on other blogs and forums but didn’t want to get into that particular discussion on my own personal blog and thus decided to keep it light and sarcastic. So you may not be “happy” with how I did it, but I didn’t get into the debate side of it other very purposely. My “debate” position on the matter is that anyone should be able to join the group. There, that’s my debate.